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Another whirlwind week in Washington for the Trump administration - as details unfold over Trump Jr.'s meeting with a Russian lawyer. Plus - the latest on the GOP's health care bill - and where it currently stands. An analysis of these stories and more on this week's "Face the Nation."

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Take a talk with you anywhere we'd be on the news talk thirteen seventy at this year. Keep up with the latest breaking news and all our search for top thirteen seventy in the App Store or find the links at top thirteen semi dot com it's anywhere need sock thirteen seventy right choice. Today on face the nation fallout from news the trump campaign was eager to work with the Russians seeking to influence the election. And another setback for senate Republicans trying to get a health care bill passed. President found left the Washington. At his club in New Jersey after news that up ended months of denials from top officials. About contacts with the Russians during the presidential campaign. It's disgusting. It's so phony I can't think of bigger life did anyone involved in the trump campaign had any contact with Russians trying to. Metal with the election. Absolutely not be any advisor during the in the trump campaign had any contact with the Russians who were trying to. To meddle in the election of course not but this week the president's son Donald junior released emails documenting that he. And other campaign officials had met with a Russian attorney last summer. With the promise of receiving negative material about Hillary Clinton. I'm more than happy to be transparent about it and I'm more than happy to cooperate would ever want to as far as you know as far as this incidences or dissolve it and everything. Is that gonna. Well not quite everything. As we later learned a former member of the Russian military who worked with counter intelligence was also in that meeting. The president defended his son's actions. Most people would have taken that means. It's called opposition research Democrats' Senate approved the campaign had colluded with the Russians. And the Republican chairman of the house oversight and Government Reform Committee had advice futures. Did everyone in her room. And from the moment you watch it there Doctor Zhivago or read Brothers Karimov golf. So point you shot electorate when it got a furry hat. You need to disclose every contact you have ever has would Rasho. Congressional investigators on both sides now have lots of questions for both the president's son Don junior and son in law Jared Kushner. We'll talk to the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee Mark Warner. And hear from one of the president's attorneys GA section aloud. Then as senate Republicans make another attempt to pass Health Care Reform president trump ramps up the pressure to get a bill passed and if they don't. I think would be very good I would be very angry about it and yeah. A lot of people will be very upset so far it's been a tough sell do you think the new version is better than the old version. Chinese worse Kentucky Republican Rand Paul doesn't like this offering either. We'll talk to him about it. And further complicating efforts to get a health care bill news that Arizona Republican John McCain has undergone surgery and will be out for a week. Plus we'll take a look at a new book on Apollo eight the first mission to the moon. And we'll have plenty of political analysis. All coming up on face the nation. Good morning welcome to face the nation I'm John Dickerson. Senator John McCain underwent surgery Friday to remove a blood clot about his left die. He's back at home and his family in Arizona but is not expected back in Washington for a week. Senate majority leader McConnell needs his vote to pass Health Care Reform and so has postponed the vote on the bill. We'll be talking about the impact of that in a moment but we begin with the latest on the investigations into Russian interference in the 2016 election. For that we turn to the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee Mark Warner. He joins us from Oak Bluffs Massachusetts senator wanna start with the news this week about the president's son. And a meeting advertised as being with the Russian government agent how does that change what you're doing in the committee. Well John this is the first time that the public has seen in black and white on the email thread. Clear evidence that the Russians and particularly there was a Russian government. Effort to try to undermine Clinton help trump and what was remarkable was you saw. Not only willingness but actually lead from the president signed. As well as involvement of the campaign manager and the president signed a law to say in effect yes bring it on. Very troubling and obviously moves our whole investigation to another level. And and what is that level because of course the president's sons as well nothing came from the meeting so why no big deal. How to we know because. The president's son has not been forthcoming. About this meaning. At first he said it was about Russian adoptions at first there was indication that was just for people he was actually many more people we don't know what transpired in that meeting. Until we get a chance to talk to all of the individuals. Who participated now we hear there may be as many as eight people in the meeting. And so all of this. Constant. Refrain from the president's son from the president himself that there is no there there that the whole thing is a witch hunt. These folks have been saying that for a year yet over a year ago we know they have clear evidence as well that there was a Russian government. Effort undermine Clinton and help trumps all of these denials over the past year. Really an output and out as well. Will you be calling the president's son to testify and the others who are in that meeting. I wanna hear from everyone in that meaning. And get their version of the story as well as I think we may find out the name and then other meetings as well we don't know that yet. But what we've seen is a constant effort to hide. Contacts with Russians we've seen this pattern repeat itself we saw general Flynn. Lie about meetings and get fired. We saw the attorney general not disclose meetings and have to recuse himself. We saw the president. Are we saw that the administration put out one reason for firing economy and the president himself said the reason they fired Tommy was because of the Russian and clearly this administration has not been forthcoming about what they know and when they knew it in terms of Russian involvement in the elections. Is chairman burn onboard with having all those people investigated as part of the committee work. Listen chairman burn and I are working together on a bipartisan fashion and we've heard not only. I've from the chairman but we've heard from Susan Collins James Lankford. A series of other Republican members on the committee. As well saying. We need to talk to all these folks I know we will you mention their main other meetings is that just a year extrapolation or do you have an any evidence. Yeah I don't wanna but the great news here that's my extrapolation. What we have and what we know always. That the this whole group of individuals are not forthcoming. About their meetings with Russians until they have proof. Then they have to recant or amend their forms we now have Jared Kushner. And having to have three separate times where he forgot conveniently forgot about meetings with Russians. I would think he'd be at a meeting with agents of the Russian government would may. We're bringing forth information to discredit Clinton and help there then candidate trump. I would think a rational person would remember that that's one of the reasons why want to remark we want to question him and all the other participants in that meeting. You mentioned Jared Kushner in this business news came out in part because he amended his form. For his security clearance and do you think he should still have security clearance. Other members of weigh in on that. On May give mr. Kushner the benefit of the doubt until we get a chance to question him but it does seem strange to me. That he didn't forget once not twice but three separate meetings. We senior Latin level a Russian officials and he conveniently forgot to put any of those on his initial filing. You another area and that it's it appears you're interested in is the date operation of the trump campaign which Jared Kushner was. Overseeing. Explain that and and is that again another extrapolation or do you guys have some evidence for that inquiry. We do know that there was a series of Russian trolls paid individuals. Who work for the Russians services that we're trying to. And I inner fear and put fake news that we also know they created what's called. Box in effect Internet robots that actually could interfere as well. The question we have is. Did they somehow get information from some of the app. Some of the trump campaign efforts to target at a target that interference. We don't know that for sure but what we do want and I was one I'd like to talk to the folks. With Cambridge analytic I'd like to talk to some of the folks from the the trump digital campaign we do know was well that FaceBook for example. They denied any responsibility during our election. At a time the French elections took place. This past spring they literally took down. 30008. Sites so they have in effect got religion about the need. That police fake news we also know that Twitter it's been reported that literally 8% of the Twitter accounts are fake. So those accounts can be manipulated as well I'd like to get not to re litigate when he sixteen. I think the whole role of these social media platforms. In terms of disseminating fake news is a policy question that we're gonna have to address. Let me ask you about the question of obstruction of justice in the middle of June there was a report to you and chairman her. After speaking to us special counsel Mahler we're not going to be looking in the obstruction of justice question but van. Another report that that then turned her was working to get those memos the James cone he wrote. About his meetings with president trump. And those memos are all about instructions so why if you're not looking into instruction you want memos that are sent that are only about the question of obstruction. What was an obstruction of justice falls into the criminal ring. And that's where special prosecutor Mahler that's his responsibility. Ours is a counterintelligence investigation. And we want to try to get all the truth out about what happened I had a chance to review those memos and my hope is that they will. That the public will get to see at least some of them some of them are classified. There's also been a strange activity were some of them have been classified after the fact. But I think it's important not to the fullest extent possible that the public get a chance to review all this information. Had having reviewed does do you think there's obstruction and just to button it up are you investigating obstruction. Listen obstruction of justice is criminal that's that's for Bob Mueller to look into. We wanted to try to make sure we get all the facts out about. The involvement of the trump campaign and the Russians. It's unfortunately dribbling out. Senators this administration has not been forthcoming soon but I wanna get all this information into the public grounds so years and that's and no you're not investigating instruction. Obstruction is a criminal charge that's for Bob Mueller to look into but for us to get all the information out about contact between. Russians an affront campaign. That's our responsibility. OK senator will leave it there thanks so much. Thank you John. We want to turn to the other big story this week the new senate Republican health care bill. Like the first version it would repeal the obamacare mandate to buy health insurance and reduce funding for its Medicaid expansion. But the new bill adds 45 billion to tackle the Tokyo and abuse. Keeps some obamacare taxes on the rich and includes senator Ted Cruz his proposal to allow insurers to offer a bare bones plan. Republicans can only lose two boats and still pass the bill. Kentucky Republican senator Rand Paul says he's in no and he joins us from Bowling Green, Kentucky. Good morning senator than bill has been delayed because of senator McCain's. Surgery on Friday how will that change the way this goes forward. You know I think the longer the bills out there for the moral and conservative Republicans are gonna discover that it's not repeal. And the more than everybody's gonna discover that it keeps the fundamental flaw of obamacare. It keeps the insurance mandates to cause the prices to rise. We chase young healthy people out of the marketplace. And leads to what people call adverse selection Rihanna sicker and sicker insurance pool. And the premiums keep rising through the roof. And one of the amazing things to me is for all the complaints of Republicans about obamacare. We keep that fundamental flaw. And the reason you know Republicans acknowledge this is they make it giant insurance fund. To subsidize those prices basically they're subsidizing their desk filed obamacare. So for all republicans' complaints about the death spiral of obamacare they don't fix it they simply subsidize with taxpayer money which I just don't agree with at all. Well and this have been put proponents of that insurance idea argue that to transfer from the system they would like a more free market approach. You need some kind of transition in this case you pay insurance companies to take care of those people who are the sickest. Now what insurance coming to make about fifteen billion dollars in profit every year. I'm not ready taxpayer money going to a company that makes fifteen or an industry that makes fifteen billion dollars a year. I think it's absolutely wrong it's not it all consistent with conservative principles free market preserve principles. Or bring a Republican it also has nothing to do with repeal. Funny we promise of voters for four elections they elected us to repeal obamacare. And now we're gonna keep most of the taxes keep the rags keep the subsidies and create a giant bailout Superfund for the insurance companies. I just don't see we'll senator cruise and only had supported an amendment that's a part of this they're conservatives today and see things on many issues the way you do. So why are they still wrongly thought they'd had a solution. No I think they're trying to do what's right so they're trying to make it legal to sell other insurance policies that don't have the rags. But the problem is as it's being done in the context of keeping all of the overall regular regulatory scheme of obamacare. So you still have the death spiral even with their amendment there amendment gives us more freedom some for their amendment. But in the context of keeping. Most of the Obama care regulations. You'll still have a death spiral that's why even the crews amendment people are saying. Oh we need more money in the insurance bail out fund because the crews amendment is gonna cost us a lot of money taxpayer money to try to stabilize insurance markets. The bottom line is insurance companies have no problem with them making a profit. But they need to earn it honestly by selling people something they want the taxpayers shouldn't be buying insurance. The reason that we we talk about it Dale's death spiral as there are a lot of sick people out there and it's not traditionally been a case that insurance companies rush to cover the sickest people first because they're quite expensive so how do you solve that problem that's what a lot of these. Attempts that you don't like her trying to do. Exactly and I don't think. Any of them fixed the problem the death spiral continues I have a solution and I think it would go a long way towards fixing this the individual market is a terrible place to be. If you're a plumber. And your wife gets breast cancer and you're an insurance pool of two it's a terrible place to be I have great sympathy for people who get sick when it shows them in their spouse or their family. I would let everyone in the individual market join a group plan. How would I do that I'd let group plans before by anybody that wants to form on chamber of commerce. Farm bureau. Credit union June David I'd let anybody Foreman association. And what would happen. Is almost everybody would flee the individual market because it's a terrible place but you know what would also happen. They would be the risk would be taking care of out of the prophet of the insurance companies because everybody to be in a group plan right now the insurance companies. Have gained the system such a thing getting enormous profit from the group plans and then they lose money in the individual markets and they whine and they come to Washington they write the bill they get bailed out it's it's a terrible situation. The event that complain about that is that people will associate with Smith healthier people their premiums only allowed us sicker will be stuck in our association of sick people in the premiums will be high. But let me get it just a question well actually well no one one of the things that is written into the rules at all commerce have to be taken and so they're great battery really happens is everybody's. Yeah well the thing is is already in the rules have been in place for a long time since the ninety's. The group insurance pastor basically cover everybody and it does so if you work for a company get group insurance. They can't exclude you because your six of companies already have had. Sort of protection against preexisting conditions and protections against being sick. What happens because we base it on employment the sicker and sicker you get the less likely you are to be employed. They get pushed into the individual market and this is a game the insurance companies love this game. They get all the healthy people they they reaping enormous profits and that if you get sick you leave employment you don't have insurance than they gal June drop you. And then they show no no we really wanna help people are sick but we'll do it if you subsidize our profits and it's like. They make fifteen billion dollars your prophet we should not be giving them any taxpayer money. All right senator Rand Paul we'll have another. Week at least to make your case thank you so much for being with us and we'll be back in one minute with our political panel. We know Austin traffic can via. Challenge. These continue with time saver drastic. Mornings and afternoons on top thirteen seven lead the right choice. We'll be speaking with one of president trumps attorneys coming up but we wanna go right to our panel now for some thoughts on what we've just heard. Susan Page is the Washington bureau chief of USA today. Jeffrey Goldberg is the editor in chief of the Atlantic. And O Keefe covers politics for the Washington Post and is the CBS news contributor and a match and early is a senior editor from the national review Susan wanna start with you you wrote this week about the Don junior revelations. Smoke meet fire. Smoke meet fire you know. I think this link in the history of this is written. This will turn out have been this past week a pivotal week a watershed week because. This was not a report based on anonymous sources are based on democratic critics are PB don't know. This was these were emails released by Donald Trump junior that showed the Russian government trying to meddle in our election and Donald Trump junior. Eager to meet with them to see if you can get information that we don't know if collusion resulted that we know that there was an eagerness to collude and is now impossible. For the truck forces to say there isn't material to make a legitimate investigation and it also undercuts. All those tonight some. And it's right Ed in I'm Mark Warner said gleeful content seems like dead the investigations now also have a whole new activities as he once talked about it to everybody in meeting yet is it just shows you. This is why it's gonna take so long because it's it's gonna require. Extensive interviews negotiations with these people to get them to come. And you do this behind closed doors or in public the fact also that he said he wants to get these combing memos out there at some point in in some fashion. I think signals that he's clearly has seen something that he thinks the public would find interest in and perhaps show a little more light on what was going on. But that did the tricky thing there too is his committee is moving much more aggressively than other committees on the hill they're the marquee event. But there's there are Judiciary Committee investigations there's the house oversight committee is doing a little bit of work. And then there's the Muller investigation so how and in what form when it come out and for what reason has to be seen but I do think we are getting closer to a point where. One of these characters who was at the trump tower meaning rally and or testifying publicly. And explaining the problem. More and that was interesting on this Komi memos the White House certainly does not want those memos out getting the conversation back to obstruction of justice which is not climatic coming writing a book frankly he may not want them out in either feed this reckless so. We'll be talking his agent this let me ask you this question which is. You know there were all these blanket denials from the White House is it possible. Or is probable that basically. There are silos and that when Kellyanne Conley said there is no kind of nobody talked to the Russians in the ice presence at the same thing. They just had no idea what. Let them president's son was doing. And does that put the White House and a tricky position because they trying denies something and then for new stages of the story comes out because because the president's son wasn't forthcoming at first. I think it is very possible that not everybody. In the White House rally to the White House is up to speed on everything that's happened it's possible the present trump himself. It was not aware of this meeting or what was discussed in the either beforehand work. Or afterwards the problem is they have been eating up any benefit of the doubt that people would give them based on. Each of them making statements so many people from the administration so mean it's Allison are making statements that turn out to be false. Earlier this week for example. Trumpet president trump had only the day before heard about these emails well and it turned out that actually he had okayed. Do you release over last weekend about those emails. Every forty seconds left but it is collusion and wouldn't it be a little bit more ship shape this is an email that came from music promoter. I mean it was kind of chaotic I think it's John McCurry meets The Marx Brothers and strangled in Poland and yet it's riots it's yes it's bullets in the posh of arson caution here no I mean Lou literally you know air each and each day this week we saw it turns out there's another Russian intelligence agent in this meeting it was literally like The Marx Brothers and ignited the operative statement scene where you just shoving more and more people into this room. Yes and and no I mean you can you can have collusion and it could be incompetent collusion as well it doesn't. Just because you can't execute collusion well doesn't mean it's not collusion and I think that's what we're seeing here also I. At this point going to this issue of credibility who knows what's gonna come out next week which we don't have any idea. It wouldn't leave it there we've got. More and house panel stay right here will be back to them later in the broadcast president trump said any person in the campaign would have done what his son and top advisors did. Meet with a person advertised as a Russian government agent with dirt on an opponent. Politics the president said it is not the nicest business. It's not. In 1940 FDR instructed aides to spread rumors about his opponents affairs. In 1968 Richard Nixon worked with the south Vietnamese to avoid peace talks. That would have helped his opponent Hubert Humphrey. But there are also examples of the opposite people behaving morally when it was easier not to. In 19641. Of Lyndon Johnson's top aides was arrested for lewd conduct. Barry Goldwater staff wanted to him to make an issue out Goldwater says no he didn't wanna ruin the man. In 2000 a top aide to Al Gore received George W Bush's private debate briefing book. He turned it over immediately to the authorities. In 2008 John McCain forbid his staff from using an ad that referred to Barack Obama's former pastor Jeremiah Wright. Order raised that issue any other way he believed it was a sneaky way eighty use Obama's race against him. In 1968. Lyndon Johnson's team had wiretaps that proved candidate Nixon was working to block the Vietnam peace talks. But they believed it immoral to use the Covert information to expose Nixon said secretary of state Dean Rusk. The moment we cross over that divide we're in a different kind of society. They were worried about something more than victory. Politics is not the nicest business but there are still times when people do the right thing. Will be back in a moment. Texas weather can change on a dime. I wanted to learn and doing here normally. When the weather turns severe turned to us for what you need to know on air and online at sock thirteen sending dot com top thirteen seventy. The right choice. Welcome back to face the nation joining us now is Jay secular O who is on the president's legal team and he's also chief counsel at the American center. For law and justice mr. secular wanna start with this meeting with the president's son the president said he didn't know about it are you confident that the president knows. Everything about all the meetings his son may or may not have had with any Russians. Well I know this you've the president was not aware about this meeting did not participate in this meeting. But as far as other meanings go with the book the president. Has said that he was not aware of it wasn't involved in it and there's been no indication otherwise so when you say other meetings that took place. I'm sure they had conversations. During the course of a campaign. About meetings that were relevant to some kind of determination but this one was not. Not every most meetings were never discussed with the president I mean that's that's normally hobbies go. So the president was campaigning. His staff was having meetings and the president was not made aware of this. Nor participated in this meaning is it possible as the president's lawyer to say the president knows of no other meetings with his campaign staff and Russians. If president don't live in the press on obviously the president has been very clear on that he said he has no had no meetings with the where no meetings. With well Russians without merit where of this when until that route really right before at all broke. And that's what the president is sad and in fact there's been no. Information to the contrary so he's been very clear on that. It what would be the best thing as far as for the president's as the president floor what would be the best thing that his son could do. In terms of answering questions about this meeting. Well I think he did it when I don't from junior did when he went on nudged on any book you released all of the emails including the entire chain of emails. So that was a lot and then he went on and explained. What happened at the meeting discussed it the nature of the meeting that it was not based on it was mostly about opposition research and at not being on that. The individual that would individuals that were involved in the meeting ended up going right down to Washington to still lobby on the images the act. That and that whole issue of Russian sanctions so again it was the meeting was under a false pretense in the sense. And I think he was very clear doll from junior answered questions NSA would continue to have native to. Wouldn't end so would it help the president's case of he testified in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee and others he's asked for him to testify. Well look that's a constant conversation that would take place between the odds Donald Trump junior and his lawyer he says he's willing to talk about it going to testify I'm not gonna get to the particulars of what that testimony. Which would be involved I'm not a lawyer do you the AP is reporting that the M the lobbyist who was in the meeting said that the president's son was given a portfolio of information. Do you know anything about. No I don't I don't know what information was allegedly left it at any. But the discussion was about images he acts so it may well look at it if there was any good bit about them just yet he also said he did note this individual that was there. That the Russian American said he doesn't I would I read the same AP report and he said he doesn't know what if there was anything in it and I don't know anything was left. But no knowledge of what that would have been but again that the conversation was on emergence via. Let me ask you as as somebody knows something about national security you've written about it back in June of Tony sixteen. It. Leaving aside there was no question of collusion at that time in the public record but meeting with somebody who is offered an advertised as an agent of the Russian government. When it mattered is something that if you were advising the campaign you would say Russia is an enemy of the United States don't take this meaning. Well look I'm I'm I'm I wasn't their lawyer than I did represent the campaign and I don't like to look at hindsight. On how you do a Donald Trump junior results that he would do the meaning if he had to do all remember things you would do differently. So but that's take a look at I mean opposition researching campaigns happens all the time you had a situation with the ukrainians doing the same thing with the Democratic National Committee in the Clinton Campaign. So again I don't look at any of this in a vacuum you look at the time was in the middle of a campaign. And again I'm not I'm not their lawyer I was not a campaign lawyer not the campaign where are represented the president I need declare this the president's engagement on this. Was that he was not aware and to not participate in any of this but so I wanna be really clear that I Virginia let me just say that. Absolutely but on the on this question of what what people were thing about the Russians in the summer Tony sixteen I mean you wrote a book called the unholy alliance about young Russians provider who is on the cover. And so I it's not like this is the same as the ukrainians this isn't the previous nominee of the Republican Party said the Russians were America's number one geo political foe. So shouldn't that every red flags just from a national security standpoint. Well look I think what I think Don junior you know I addressed that saying if he was looking at a we will look at it differently nauert or handle it differently but again at the in the heat of the campaign it's easy to be on the lawyer he's not a lawyer. I deal with the legal issues he was helping to campaign so at it I understand exactly the question you're asking well. The president. Went to Vladimir Putin at the G twenties and talked about this is not as if the president is not addressing this and he's addressed the publicly about its concerns with Russian engagement. But I generally any guest who's about twice. Let me ask you and we last talked you said the president is not under investigation is that still ruin your Cason and how do you know it to be the case. What we had no notification from those special counsel nothing's changed since James homey just hit three times. To the president that it was under investigation we had nothing to the contrary since that. And nothing from any of the senate investigative committees that would suggest the president is under investigation. Correct nothing to the president at all all right Jay secular well thanks so much for being let us. And we're back in our panel Susan Page of USA today Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic and a key for the Washington Post and Nash crooner who. National review Susan I'm gonna start review. Before this revelation when we talk to White House officials. About any connection between Russia and any trump officials they said. Almost how dare you even ask the question this is a smear to suggest that anybody would've been connected at all the vice president reacted that way suited Kellyanne Conway because for them. It was out of bounds the pollution now that there is. Approved that they that the president's son was anxious to go to a meeting with someone who is advertises Russian agent well no big deal that seems hard to switch that quickly. It's such a big lie to say we did that tonight you found that we did that it's just not a big yes I think that's a hard need to thread and it puts people like Mike Pence a typical situation. Because he has misrepresented something that we now know we assume an unknowingly think about the position that puts. Congressional Republicans in who the White House wants to defend them on this issue and help them on other issues. And yet even. Anonymously ask you the president said well anybody would have taken this meeting. I would I would guess that some Kellyanne Conway had a chance Spicer ranks previous I'm not sure they would have taken a meeting with somebody advertises a Russian government. Agent. Well you know one thing that's been really notable is you don't have. Campaign officials from previous Republican campaigns coming fortune yes this is routine. We took meetings like this all the time nobody from McCain world Iran new world or George W. Bush world is saying anything of the type because in fact it's highly unusual. What you are not getting no interestingly is a unified public line from the strong supporters of the present. Some of them are saying. Nothing to see here no big deal this is totally appropriate some are saying. It was inappropriate sure but everybody does some of them are saying Donald Trump junior what some house Senna. There is a complete cacophony they have not managed to maybe they are trying to coordinate with the Russians they're not coordinating with one another. It is also Jeffrey interesting to see I mean and he was Mitt Romney's position about the Russians. As far back as the last election that they with a number one geo political foe and that now to see some people arguing. I would not not that big a deal that you know Russians well just like the ukrainians but they weren't at this point right when asked what. We'll something's happened on the right. In America in which Putin has been re imagined in Russia's been re imagined as a stalwart Christian nation opposing radical Islam that was not. There there is a counter movement on and certain circles in the right that says Russia is our natural ally and this obviously isn't Russia's best interest to have this argument. It is certainly not as certainly has not been. In mainstream rock Republican argument which is why most Republicans would have said really lomb eatery meet with a Russian agent during the campaign you gotta be kidding. Mean this is this is starting to counsel fine now among devoted Republicans while 60% of Americans. Now think Russia trying to influence election in the new Washington Post ABC poll out this morning and 44% think from benefited directly from that. Attempt if you look at Republicans. And number of them were Republican leaning independents who think the Russian sought to influence election. And at the trump team intensely help has dropped to just 9% of Republicans so the majority of them now are on the president's side. Think that all of this is just designed to discredit him from a partisan perspective on the rest of the country of acknowledge that some real serious budget that's why two sec alone feels he can come out here. Pull what is now known as the full Psycho social above all the shows this morning defending the president. And say what he's saying because he knows that the president's base is still with him. And there's nothing nothing that has come out yet that really will change hopes of that at all let's go to rectum. Is senator Paul right that this rule caused me more people to drop off how do you think this will play out. So we're waiting third Senator McCain to get better and come back and he's city's gonna vote for the smell isn't totally would support that that motion recede to allow the debate to go for it I mean that's hound that's in much trouble this this bill is this not. It's not inconceivable that it would past. But no bill with a slower support with the public has at no major bill has ever been enacted in US history since we started polling. We it's just very hard to get members of congress looking at their own reelection in many cases next year. To put themselves on the line for building a song popular and unpopular not supported even by majority. Of Republicans and that you know the the really bad news is seems to me for president to visit this is his sweet spot politically he's done as a supporter of people who voted form. He still has Republican control of the house and senate. There may be come a time in a year where that is no longer the case. Measure what is this so hard. Well it took a fast hard because for one thing they're only 52 Republican senators. There were sixty democratic senators that the time. That Obama care passed and so it's just going to be hot yet you need almost every single. Republicans Republicans have tried to rush this through and they repeatedly found that they need more time to get through and one last thing. Because it's sort of cobbled together piece of legislation actually loves its. There's nobody who's out there day in day out making the case for pushing back widespread misrepresentation to the the way that other major legislation this type usually pass. An orphan bill is as sir Colin Powell came put it this week in a column and look Susan callous this morning Rand Paul suggested that John McCain suggested the Friday before this news came out. They want to see this go back to regular order. Sent his things which means putting it back in the committees and letting them hash it out in public and then drag out the way schoolhouse rock tells us supposed to happen. And and the reason is they believe. They've seen the failure of of the Affordable Care Act in the fact that was put together just by Democrats they know. I talked to them on a regular basis that there are Democrats out there who want to work of Republicans on this and vice Versa. On prescription drug prices and the access to this on allowing people buy across state lines and their proposals to do that. It's just haven't been given the space in the timing authority to do. If you. What's your assessment of the president's role here he is our first marketer president. Are that may not be true but he did say that he's he's he's scared he would like you did say that I guess he's been successful in prided business because he's out he's our senator so and so what's the what what. This is the mister wanna ministers at the heart of this whole episode is is that why is he more or less a wall and in I think it is in mr. everything we understand everything about this but. I I would say that. That there's a there's a very good chance that he and his people don't want him out there talking about it because he. Isn't really good at talking about it and would get trapped in this in the details I think that's that's what I also think and this is again this is pure speculation. But I think that he's probably ambivalent about this bill in the nature of it in the idea I mean and he might actually believe the CBO scoring. His his people around him officially don't believe in but he might believe it. And and it goes to the even larger question about. The missed opportunities in the first six months of this administration. Which is that here's a man who's not really a Republican doesn't owe that much of the parties not a Democrat either can can can. Can legislate can lead in in a populist way. Hasn't done infrastructure. Hasn't. Expanded medical care for the kind of people who voted for him. There's a lot of mysteries inside this mystery. Pick up on that Suzanne I am struck that did that one of the things they put in the senate bill some more money for the GOP like crisis the president campaigned on that when you think of a forgotten man that he talked about his inaugural address. What you don't hear so much is people saying boy you know we tried to talk the president about something else but he kept coming back to the forgotten man in what is this bill gonna do for the forgotten man and let's keep the focus on that. It was this listening had be added in by the senate. Pump it seems that the thing that brought him to Washington is not his primary focus in terms of this legislation. But I don't think is very rare for us the details and repercussions of the it legislation now I think he just wants a bill to sign what is he so what is he said several times. I have my pen in hand I'm ready for them to send Meehan bill and I'll sign it. Not I have a plan in mind that I think is important. To fix the American Elsa system and you ask. From each flight hucksters heart health is hard because. There are trade offs you know everybody just went on health care if you're gonna cover more people is gonna cost more you're gonna cover if you didn't have equal treatment for people with. At pre existing conditions and healthy people are gonna pay more. That's the the trade off that we continue to have trouble with this nation and figure out what exactly we want to do. Russian mean just as you can question had repercussions. If this is the Republicans don't repeal informal care act after seven years we won't isn't that something that they have to worry about in terms of political backlash. I think it becomes intensely demoralizing. To Republicans even if the Republicans. Don't as I said love this bill to hear that the Republicans haven't done anything. On it and I think that the great danger they face going into the mid terms and any party does facing. Mid term elections when they're in power in the White House is that they've got a demoralized base and the other side is wrapped up and what about the rest of the Republican agenda is this. Is this like a train you can't he can't go anywhere in the first car pretty much and it's incredible how a one track mind it congress has become of the house is working on some. You know there's a big defense still has to get done and are starting to think about a spending plan by the end of September. There are a lot of big things and need to get done to about 21 days left on the house calendar 37 on the senate calendar by the end of September when all of these things come do. That's part of why McConnell decided to extend the summer recess in August this week. John McCain with part of the reason that happened he wants to get his defense bill that he's overseas is heavily armed services committee done as a way to demonstrate that they are doing something. And yet now because of his surgery they may have to stick or even longer finally tear Jeffrey presents an even be angry if this doesn't pass what do you think the presents are actually it was passed. You know he'll just move on to make America great again I mean remember he's not he he he'll find they'll find a way to blame the media will find a way to blame the Democrats. I don't think it's hard is in this. It is an amazing moment and I think this is where he will feel personally insulted and and and betrayed by the Republicans. Republican president Republican house Republican senate cannot. Undue. Obamacare. Really he'll be judged as as having an historically bad first year put aside Russia put aside everything else. We're gonna have to. Leave it there are afraid we turned out to space. 1968. Was a dramatic year for America. The Vietnam War was raging riots and unrest plague political conventions and the assassinations of Dr. Martin Luther King. And Robert F Kennedy shock and already weary nation to the core. The end of that year though gave a reason to hope three. NASA's Apollo eight mission successfully launched three astronauts into space. Beating the Soviets to become the first manned flight to leave the Earth's orbit several balloon and returned safely. It was a breakthrough that stunned the world. Joining us now is Jeffrey clinger a science editor and senior writer at time magazine and the author of Apollo eight. A new book that looks back at that seminal mission Jeffrey welcomed put Apollo eight in context for us and all the different missions why is that so important. Well here's the thing I mean it's important culturally as we said at the beginning of this of of this segment. This was the most tragically blood soaked year in modern human in global history we had all of these terrible events there was that Tet offensive. And at the same time in three American astronauts have been lost in the spacecraft fired just the year before in 1967. And wake us Christmas Roger Chaffee. The space program which had been. 1960 day. There was no plausible way that we were going to make president Kennedy's deadline of getting man on the moon before 1970. And the guys that NASA says you know what. You know we're scheduled. Let's forget Paris skipped let's kick start this thing. Let's put this spacecraft on top of this unproven rocket and let's get three guys have to orbit the moon before the end of the year on. Christmas Eve no less. It's amazing that after especially the accident I knew that they would. Not be risk averse and and why would why they're mean not only and not as diversity as you said sped up that recognition. Well and I think what was going on there you're absolutely right they could not. Abide losing any other people but they also had. And intuitive faith in the men and women of NASA and we should remember the women hidden figures reminds us this. Then he knew that they have to resolve that they had the wherewithal and the mono maniacal commitment to meek these machines work. And make this mission work and I think that says something about American hands. An American now as president Kennedy said we choose to go to the moon we simply elected to do a great transcendence thing and we can't. How much a part of that was will break the component parts down for me in terms of that commitment because we'll bring it to the president in a moment but I mean obviously the Cold War added some spurt and that's right to the movement but what else does it and play that created this. This sense of risk tolerance and this being good long shot well I think it was that the Cold War was very much in some ways a couple key war now you don't call nuclear warheads could bookie there are very real but it was all about symbolism. So they knew this is a way to plant our flag to established. To the world. That a free culture that a capitalist culture is able to do something. Preposterous. Lee wonderful and I think something about the crews headed to Frank Borman the commander he was a cold warrior. Deeply patriotic American he was flying out there to punch the Russians in the knows. Jim level was flying for the sheer joy of flight level was never as happy as when he was in space and never is happy in spaces when he was doing some crazy. And Billy Anders the third guy that rookie. He loved the machines he loved the lunar cart however that he was there for the granular work it was the perfect combination of three guys give us a little sense if you Canada the technology here I mean and what what it was like to compare to what we know today where you have a world where everything seems. A possible what was the technology like that something. What we saw they send up the movie Apollo thirteen this was slide rule technology this was sharpened pencil technology. The computer on board the spacecraft one of the great selling points. Was that it has a screen and the screen was capable of displaying. Thirty complete digits at a time thirty that was state of the art. In ninety minute tweaks it's not he didn't hit tweet that's exactly right is probably 118 characters or something so they went on. Old school sort of science and Jim leveled the navigator. He navigated by the stars he would take a rough alignment and three stores and then slowly refine the alignment until they knew where they were ago. Compared to today because the notion now is bureaucrats how could they ever do something like this time why don't we go to the where is this innovation in this sense of risk taking. Now in the in the government's. Well that's what's what's challenging the government has become so partisan and dysfunctional that this kind of thing isn't possible it's important to remember. That the lunar program spanned. Four presidencies. To Democrats. Two Republicans it spanned six congresses and yes I think that Democrats were in control of all of them but the majority's changed. But feuds weren't there but the country was. Obsessively focused on this wind. Non partisan indeed who bird there are X minutes surpassing partisan goal to get to the moon before a certain deadline and we did. Right to preclude her thank you so much fascinating wonderful book we really appreciate it thank you thank you so. That's it for us today thanks for watching you can keep up with the news of the week by subscribing to the face the nation diary podcast. Honest on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast platform. Until next week for face the nation I'm John Dickerson. Today's guests for senator Mark Warner Kentucky senator Rand Paul won president trumps attorneys Jay secular. To hear more about the news of the week download the face the nation diary type act. The executive producer of face the nation is Mary Hager senior producers Joseph Jackson. Describe for us was directed by Bryan or else face the nation originates from CBS news in Washington for more face the nation where online. 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