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This past week -- President Trump announced that the United States will not recertify Iran's Nuclear Deal. We hear from Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif -- who all weigh in on the the president's decision. Plus -- Captain Scott Kelly discusses his new book -- "Endurance" -- about his year in space. These stories and more on this week's "Face the Nation."

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Today on face the nation president trump disavows the Iran nuclear deal and who stopped and the nation's health care system. The president made good this week on his promise to unravel his predecessor's legacy. Bucking the advice of some of his top national security advisors by refusing to certify Iran's part in making good on their nuclear commitment. We will not continue down a path is predictable conclusion is more violence. More terror. And the very real threat of Iran's. Nuclear greatness. Mr. Trump's other target. Obama care ending payments to insurance companies that help lower income Americans afford health care. I just keep hearing repeal replace repeal replace well. Where something that process. We'll hear from secretary of state Rex Tillerson who has still lobby congress and the US allies plus manage a strained relationship when his thoughts. Our Elizabeth Palmer is in Tehran and spoke with Iran in foreign minister Mohamed JAMA zaireans. Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu also joins us. South Carolina Republican senator Lindsey Graham will also be here as well as astronaut Scott Kelly. Whose new book is about the ups and downs of being in space it's all ahead on face the nation. Good morning and welcome to face the nation I'm John Dickerson president trumps threat to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal an international agreement made two years ago with Iran and five other countries. Unless Iran meet certain new conditions. Has sent shockwaves around the world will hear from all sides but we start with secretary of state Rex Tillerson welcome mr. secretary. First and interview our Elizabeth Palmer did with foreign ministers are reef he said that you didn't give the Iranians a heads up when not. Well we had an exchange on margin to be in UN general assembly meeting and so I think he had a pretty good sense of where this a decision the president would think would likely go. But we did speak with all the other signatories to the media and Jordan commission plan of action the Iran nuclear agreement. But to ensure that they understood exactly the decision the president was taking. But if you're trying to get Iran to change and agree to some new terms or maybe you're not why not. Talk to Y nine you know how these negotiations are you wanna talk the other side. I think you know the talk more come when we do need to engage with Iran we wanna ensure though that our friends and allies and the other parties to the nuclear agreement. Have great clarity around president's policy which is which is. Far beyond just the nuclear agreement. The job mr. wrong policy really has three important element stood the president outlined follows in his speech I think one of the unfortunate. Aspects of our relations with the wrong over the last year or years is that it has been to fund almost entirely by this nuclear agreement. To the exclusion of so many other. Issues that we need to deal with with the wrong so part of this conversation is to deal with the nuclear arrangement but also deal with these broader issues that concern us. Within European allies the other signatories to this say is yes they agree with you and all those other issues but they say you do mean two different parts the way we used to do with the Soviets he would negotiate on the nuclear you lock in gains there. And you work on these other things the senate passed that sanctions against Iran over the summer. So you work that other channel which you don't jeopardize what you've got locked in on this agreement why are they wrong. Well I'm not wrong and and in fact that's exactly what president's decision I think reflects is that the president has said. Look we're going to decertify under the erotic review act this is the domestic law. It is not a B certification under the nuclear agreement that involves the multilateral parties. But he is I think city into Iran into our other partners there are serious flaws in this agreement everyone acknowledges they're serious flaws. And so he would like to get the congress to give us ourselves of this issue so we have a strong voice was strong unified voice warts and for all. Represented the American position which then allows us to engage. With friends and allies and other signatories around how to we address these gaps in these flaws in this nuclear agreement if congress doesn't act they don't get the sixty votes. What happens the president is that mean you ripped the agreement stand is that with the president was saying well there's three options now that the congress has the congress can do nothing. In which case everything maintains a status corner bit up to the president and decide how does he want to motivate. Addressing the gaps in this issue and and as we've discussed this under the JC pillar under the nuclear agreement. There may be that we're not able to reopen that agreement when everyone. Being willing to play but it doesn't mean we cannot undertake negotiations. To address the areas of concern which are the ballistic missile program. The sunset provisions text are provisions and perhaps lay a second agreement down along side of the sugary. So you keep the original I guess what I'm trying to fix on hears a sound like the very end of his remarks the president sent a hammer is gonna come down if there's no action from congress and this first agreement. Is done in the US is out. Is that a misunderstanding or is that the message not think the president is being very clear that not just to the congressman is being very clear to Iran. To the other signatories of the agreement as well. That if we cannot see movement if we don't see some encouragement there we're going to begin to address these then there's no reason to stay and and he has every intention of walking out. What message does this send in the north Koreans are in the middle of trying to get them to the table if you dragon a disabled look at this they've looked at the Libya example where we begin up its nuclear weapons then Qaddafi was overthrown. Why aren't they gonna think. I'm not getting engaged in a deal with somebody changes their mind while they give me. Or rich or the north Koreans to take that. Position in fact we had a similar agreement in place with north Koreans back in the 1990s almost exactly like. This Iran an agreement and you can see what it's led to move forward find ourselves today think the message to north Koreans as. We have a policy towards North Korea's nuclear program which the same as the Chinese assigned to the Russians the sailors the regional players. There will be a denuclearization. Of the Korean Peninsula and so any agreement with the north Koreans is going to be very different agreement. Then the kind of we're dealing with weather wrong although in the ninety's they argue that congress under cut the agreement but let me ask you about North Korea they did not test a missile. On the tenth of October some people thought they might is that a big signal. Will soon it will widen city John I think that was a big anniversary date for them we know we have the Chinese party congress about to get under way. This week there are any number of trick or any number of events with in the past they have. Undertaken some copper provocative acts so we'll watch will wait we'll see how we also listened to their public pronouncements as well. Let me ask you about your relationship with the. Not a person known for saying just anything that comes into his head. Has said two things last week he said that you were not being supported in the way. That he hoped to secretary of state would be sport in this week he put a finer point on passenger being publicly castrate him by the president. What's going on here. Well I think you know the president the way the president operates. In terms of causing action. Under his foreign policy decisions Ross was domestic policy decisions I think sometimes people have a there are challenged to put all that together. When I would say is when it comes to North Korean policy or whether collusion this Iran in policy or recent South Asian policy. There's actually an alignment between the State Department the other. Apartments in the cabinet and the president's objectives. The presence of very unconventional person as we all know in terms of how you communicate how he likes to create. Action forcing events and so the president often takes steps to force an action when he feels things are just not losing. And I guess what's her Parker is saying this action forcing event comes at your expense when you're trying to deal with other countries and they see you being undermined his corporate totally off base here. When I was says with respect to the example you gave with the Chinese. We have very very good communication chip open channels with John as president has a great relationship with president G. I have a great relationship with the state councilor. There is a group clarity around what we are attempting to do with North Korea and how we are working with China. To achieve the outcome in North Korea that we all war. So there's no confusion among the people that matter so core first confused about how this works well I know the appearance of it certainly looks like they're sometimes. This unity. It requires a lot of work from all of our part to coordinate these efforts shall we are thirty driving towards an objective which is a new nuclear North Korea. Let me ask you at the other side of this which is if people on the outside need to know you speak for the president. There are also people who are nervous about everything's happening in the world and they want the president to get clearing cleared writes from his advisors they don't want a fight in the dog out. Are you able to tell the president wants on your mind and have the president listened to you. And maybe change his mind one of those one of them wrote Maurice relationship issues I value the greatest is that the president wants to know what to know what I think. And so I'll always present my view of that and sometimes that some altered due to that of others. The president listens to all of that he'd take sought information and sometimes it involves numerous conversations. For him to come twos which I think is a very appropriate way to proceed on issues that are as important as in the east but I have complete freedom to express my views to the president and he listens to those views and no changes his mind and no we don't agree on everything out obvious yes sometimes he changes his mind. And whatever he decides though he's the president of the United States I won't work as far as I can to implement his decisions successfully. Does he believe you're wasting your time talking with trying to talk with North Korea. Are different he said I should say he supports our diplomatic efforts we're going to maintain those diplomatic efforts as I have. Commented others are diplomatic efforts will continue until first bomb was dropped. The other alternative is they you're playing good cop bad cop and you're a good cop and the president by saying you're wasting your time as being the bad cop. That's a strategy but isn't it a little dangerous when you're dealing in North Korea is. One we're gonna share with the anyone who's the president has said he and met has no intention of signaling to people. What his next step will be he's not gonna give them advanced warning of what is next actual big. I think that makes it very effective on I'm mr. secretary thanks so much for being messed up when you go. We turn now to CBS news correspondent Elizabeth Palmer who easy in Tehran and spoke exclusively Saturday with Iran's top diplomat. Foreign minister Mohammed Joseph Biden is every list. We were invited to the Foreign Ministry here in Tehran where doctors everything underlined that. Five other countries besides the US it's signed the Iranian nuclear deal and no matter what the White House said or did. All five remain firmly committed to it. This is not paid by Dutch treat you between you know on on tonight's. So what are we domestic politics. Politicking queue wants to do. That's his business. You know the United States is member of the Security Council. I'm if it's not going to uphold. A resolution that not will be booked it for what it sponsors. Then the credibility of the institution. That the United States considers to be very important. Would be that's it no but you and it's with us any US administration. To engage in any melt and negotiation. Because that length of any commitment. The duration of any commitment from now on. Beat any US administration would be good reminder of the panel that president are you thinking of any kind their country in particular right now non thinking don't be. And cut international community not North Korea. Better. Including North Korea. But over the team international community we see this this administration is withdrawing from everything. Somebody called it neutral doctor. Put this administration is withdrawing from not it's been drawn from trans Pacific partnership between growing from the unit's scope is withdrawing from everything. So people cannot trust anymore. Do you warn of the United States. You see in order to bring United States on board on many of these international agreements. A lot of people make a lot of concessions. Now ho with he's going to make any concessions to the United States. Because they know that. Do you connect this. We've gone back and say there wasn't enough. You know this book let us say that the Donald Trump. Eventually does pull the US had the agreement unilaterally. We use today and with. The Europeans Russia and China and make it work with them alone. If one thought he would most probably be prosecuted he did practices. And start. It up royally. The most important elements of the then get on its side so you fair not gonna commit now to staying in if the US pulls on behalf committed to us that not to be good. First thought he. To withdraw from this. But that's set provide that that on. Economic activities that have been. And trying to in this heat on respect that you know continues to exceed those divisions. Once it on. Does not risking. Goes dividends. Then it would be a potent defensive situation. The secretary Rex Tillerson called around late in the day yesterday. To give various allies and world leaders heads up about what was to come to be calling you know. And I were expected to. You didn't expect him to you know. Not even as a courtesy. There's not much to achieve that in in the big United States treats us to do. If you are a partner with the United States and other countries in this nuclear deal now that implies huge amount of diplomatic engagement. Why doesn't that give you the privilege to talk to the secretary of state directly. I think that's as is his decision that the United States that you did with John Kerry. We recently did it and it produced a lot of results to produce a lot of positive result. It's a bit that some that nasty tonight news. What. This administration. Has he selected. To pay. It in a totally different. Not. I can assure you and that it on and dignity. I'm. They're not allow us to engage. Men mutual respect. And people. What with the among perspective but on. Have you spoken to the supreme leader since president comes speech. Most of it last night and he spoke to it last night and we know his views it we have beefed. To be good about. What he was going to say because with Israel pretty much everybody knew. He says I expected. So it was a little bit of I told you so because he had been against the deal from the beginning who has never never trusted the United States not to say. You see I was rhino I was. Haven't trusted the United States the speed was off base pumpkins it was based on neutral mysteries. And I think that was this kind of just think it's not something bad about. It's the strength of the unfortunate. They president trump it's kind of thing if it's whitening things not only between you and on and the United States but between the global community. I'm the United States visiting US could. No longer it not just unpredictable. But on real. Have you given up. For the moment. On trying to establish better relations with the count the administration to try and dial back the rhetoric. Better but I believe that trump administration. Is closing its audience under the he's what we. And it's getting into a quiet mind. That would harm US Russian troops. What because of the significance of the United States has a global day went on poverty. We believe it would be important for the United States for the company mystery. To exercise increase. In its cognitive disorder. Because. With such huge implications for everything from Iran's economy to its national security you know. That all eyes in the Iranian government are now fixed. On the US congress. Ms. Palmer forests in Tehran thanks Louis. We turn now to south Carolina Republican senator Lindsey Graham senator let's start with their on questions to move to congress and I are there enough votes there to get this amendment to the Iran deal. Now now I hope so I'd hate to be a Democrat defending the sunset clause. Under this agreement after fifteen years that the Iranians can do anything they want in terms enrichment reprocess and it doesn't matter there's still the largest state sponsor terrorism it doesn't matter they're building our savient when death to Israel alone on the weapon. Under. Mere passage of time do they can do whatever they want to enrichment and the Democrats have a hard time justifying. Denying inspections of military bases here's what here's how they were justified they would say that in fact. The sunset provisions are stacked so that they can't move right to a nuclear weapon and that. If they started to and there are inspectors in there watching and the international commute be on him right away whereas what the president is offering. Is getting out of an agreement that was worked with patiently with the international. Community and actually is a step backwards alive that president ran on the idea this is a bad deal for American he won. He's fulfilling a campaign promises is a terrible deal for American the region. The Arabs don't like it the Israelis don't like it you're wrong about the sunset clause of all due respect there is no limitation on centrifuge. Free processing enrichment there is no requirement that they stop marching toward a bomb with a mere passage of time they can do anything they want to. And you can't go on military bases coast Iranians say we can't and they're doing RCD in testing. In violation of UN resolutions they hijacked Americans on the high seas. There's still larger state sponsor of terrorism to those who said this deal would make a run a better member of the family nations. It was a miserable thing whether there is debate about you don't just need to centrifuges and need other parts process and and does have a longer Sunday in my area the size that is a good deal I don't welfare. It is let me ask you this question of doubt I'm your sunny senate colleague senator Corcoran. Chairman of the foreign relations committee has sketched a view of the administration do you agreement yes ally cook dock worker. And cut you're doing they're basically saying we're gonna put triggers it. Congress is gonna say do the Iranians. That if he ever try to get within a year of and you could you know break at time less than year we're gonna reimpose sanctions. We're gonna look picture missile program a new we're gonna make sure that we inspecting place in if you don't last instead it would reimpose sanctions if you're still sponsoring terrorism. Down the road we're gonna reimpose sanctions how like that is traders senator workers also expressed to you about secretary of state since as his cast treating him do you agree with that you. No I don't agree with that easily don't unpatriotic. In. Suggesting that case a bump or hear ya know I just think he's wrong ally by a quarter I breaks my heart that he's leaving he's won those valuable members of the Republican conference. He and the president gotten in this Twitter war. At the end of day have played golf with the president yesterday he is not a man undersea TV and again like has drawn we had a good time. He's hell bent on getting a better deal he promised a terrorist. He's decided not to teared up these decided decertified which I think he's right to do. And pushed the world in congress to get a better deal forced to like let me in this isn't just a Twitter or this is the foreign relations chairman making a claim that the president is a Billy need to be convinced by his national security and I. The president could fix that. If but if senator corporate things that Rex Tillerson is being castrate the president has the power to fix that should he. Well at the end of the day I think secretary Tillerson gave a good X. Good overview of the relationship. I'm not here to beat up on Bob I'm here to tell you that the president. Has changed his opinions when it came to Afghanistan but listening to the best national security team I've seen in twenty years sector Tillerson is serving the president well. But the people around the president are the smartest guys out saying. And gals on national security since I've been in town he's suggesting his policies on Afghanistan. He's keeping his promise to try to get a better deal with the Iranians and he's finally putting North Korea on notice. That the policy of the United States has changed. All right we're gonna hold their for a moment senator we need take a short break we'll be back in a minute with more from senator Graham. And we're back with senator Lindsey Graham sent me the president this week he says he's not gonna continue payments to insurance companies to help with people at the lower end of income scale pay for their health insurance a number of health organizations have come out this congress has to do something to fix this is congress gonna do something while I hope that we can get a deal between senator Alexander Patty Murray. And that would allow us to continue the payments to get reform. But this is stopping payments to insurance companies that has had a 407%. Increase their stock prices since the ACA. Cigna 480%. Who managed to 420%. The president is not gonna continue to throw good money after bad. Get seven billion dollars to insurance companies unless something changes about a obamacare that would justify it. But he did talk a senator Alexander yesterday he's encouraging him. Get a bipartisan deal that would have some flexibility to Taiwan mandates. For continued payment but it's got to be a good deal. Presents for a lot of congress' plate they asked the question of the dreamers there's now this health care theirs and there is Iran you gotta get a budget passed in orders set up tax reform or not get tax reform done and yet we don't we're dead is. You don't ask me about them inside just go and ask my succeed and the yeah silver sought out. It's a symptom of a greater problem if we don't cut taxes and we don't eventual repeal and replace obamacare. Then we're gonna lose across the board in the house and Tony eighteen. And all my colleagues running in primaries in 2018 probably get beat it will be the end of Mitch McConnell as we know what. So this is sent them a greater problem if we do cut taxes and we do repeal and replace obamacare. It doesn't matter what band and do because will win let's see van has said that Republicans should go to war against Mitch McConnell and all you all should didn't get rid him and that that should be the Republican rallying Mitch McConnell is not our problem our problem is that we promise to repeal and replace obamacare and we failed. We promised cut taxes and we get to do it if we're successful Mitch McConnell Stein if we're not we're all in trouble. We lose armored Jordan I think president trump will not get reelected is Steve Bennett and from Ireland problem in turning an inning done piecing everything you're doing is going against the cause he's a symptom of problems. Banning can't beat us if we're successful if we're not successful it doesn't matter who trusted because they'll be successful. All right senator Graham thanks for analysts and will be back in a moment. Back face the nation one of the biggest opponents the Iran nuclear deal was Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He joins us from Jerusalem. It's good to be with you mr. prime minister Errol why do you think what the president has done is going to lead to a better situation. Well I am focused on the result and I think that right now the deal as it stands. Guarantees that Iran will have not a single nuclear bomb but and and tar nuclear arsenal within ten years. And I heard the president was very courageous and signed. I'm not gonna kick this can down through the road. I'm not gonna say well it's gonna be on somebody else's watch I'm gonna stop this from happening because remember we cannot allow you wrong. The world's foremost terrorist regime. That had his gaze. Tools to news of protesters jailed journalists informants aggression throughout the region around the world. We cannot allow this rogue regime. To become the size of North Korea's economy to have a nuclear arsenal it's a very brave decision and I think it's the right decision for the world. To get the leverage should that would be required. To get what you want eight Iran has to be isolated by the world community and split at home hasn't the president's view based on the ally reaction. It united the the allies that were part of this deal against what president trump is doing. Well they they say that they wanna keep the deal and the president's asserted correctly either fix it or an exit. I've heard changer or cancel it if they want to save the deal. Then the European allies should start working within the United States to actually correct its deficiencies and there are many. They have to. They're very clear and they have to be changed. And it's an opportunity the president trump has created for them. To fix this very bad deal which is dangerous for them no less than it is for others. But they believe that changing the you break about what the president told them. That if they don't change it if they don't fix it if they don't prevent Iran from automatically getting. In in a decade to a nuclear arsenal then he'll change he'll cancel the deal so I think that once they realized. And this is the American position they should join forces with the United States. And with the president. And work to change us and by the way it should note that in the Middle East something very. Historical problem. I mean it's not just Israel that is supporting the president is key Arab states like Saudi Arabia the emirates and I suggest that. You know when Israel and the key Arab states agree on something and and and should pay attention we're close to. With our ears to the ground we live right here next rerun we see what it's doing and I think that what the president has done is created most space. To prevent a very bad deal for materialism. And to fix it everybody should join forces endured just. What's your response to those including the signatories to this agreement has said that Iran has. Bin abiding by the agreement. Act and that while ten years is a deadline you picked that in fact there are longer deadlines. Where Iran will be monitored and if they break and and that try to move back to a nuclear capability. The entire world worse it will see and and jump on them right away. John I've always said a whole assume that the greatest danger of this deal. Is not that Iran. Will violated. But that Iran will keep it. Because under the deal in a few years time Iran is guaranteed to have. As many as a hundred nuclear bombs that's. Falling. And kicking the can down the road is not wise policy. So. Whether or not they keep it or violated is not the point the point is they have a highway right now. Two assuming they keep the deal to get to that point where they become. A terrorist. Rogue regime. With a vast nuclear arsenals so that really have to be stopped. And I don't think the issue right now is whether they keep it or whether they violated. The issue right now is got to change. The destination to which it. The supporters of the deal obviously dispute your characterization of their ability to get those bombs but let me ask you about this scenario we'd she is. What if Iran looks at what president trump has done and says okay no deal we're gonna go back to death to the full sprint. The two lied to a nuclear program and blame the US president for breaking the agreement. Well that could have done that right from the start they could rush of the bomb you know. They never wanted to do that because there's always been a combination of the threat of a credible military response which by the way we put forward. We don't need others to put it forward and equally crippling sanctions number I stood in the UN a few years ago and I drew that red line. That's before the deal but I think also because they knew what the stakes are. And he wrong today knows that if they do what you just said they're gonna get crippling sanctions on their heads the US alone can do that the US is up in the so very powerful economy itself almost a twenty trillion dollar economy you ridden economies this 2% of that. Do you think when countries have to choose between the US economy and the Iranian economy. What will they choose that's a no brainer so Iran faces crippling sanctions by the US alone let alone the US with a its allies I think they're gonna think twice. Our mr. prime minister thanks so much for being with us. Thank you. This week president trump suggested comparing his I feud to that in his secretary of state Rex Tillerson. He was responding to the report disputed throughout the administration that Tillerson had called him a moron. But an IQ test is not the test we want our presidents to ace. The better measure of presidential greatness is emotional intelligence EQ as it is called the ability. To understand and regulate your emotions and read the emotions of those around you. In presidents it is a part of temperament and encompasses restraint equilibrium and grace under pressure. It's what Lincoln had. Justice Holmes said of FDR then he had a second class intellect but a first class temperament. This week is the 55 anniversary of one of the greatest test of presidential temperament Soviet Cuban missile crisis. When the Soviet Union what nuclear weapons ninety miles from the American coast one of the most dangerous moments in presidential history. Presidential temperament and the Q is tested every day in ways little and small. In the way a president reacts to slights and to other countries. On the big tests of presidential temperament like North Korea it's a test where all taking along with him. Back moment. 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Great solutions mauling in Ignatius is a columnist for the Washington Post and Jenna Goldberg is senior editor at the national review they don't start with you. Before you wanted to Iran deal this these Cummins my eight Centre worker about the secretary of state it's extraordinary when you make it. They error that critical it. In the ways but the comments about about that trumps youth of the secretary. I cameramen and quite quite like it what we saw with that. Sector trusted us now is the he can take a punchy he has an unflappable guy says here and you asked him you know about the comment that you've been castrated they look back and said this is the president who's. Unconventional. You know he likes action forcing events it. He clearly gets the way the president operates and he's decided he can live with a with within that those constraints. It to be sectors statement and go around the world talking reform leaders one you know it's it's been asserted by. The leading senator that you been castrated not an easy challenge but we saw the secretary of state who clearly is ready to keep doing it. My who hadn't. On the hill. Not everybody rushed to workers. Side but also didn't denounce him really much either how what do you what is this a moment and we're gonna move on or is this. What do you make of it. Well it's for one thing I mean senator worker only set out loud something that a lot of people already thought and that we could see publicly with the undercutting. Of the secretary of state. By the president mean you had him sitting here just a few minutes ago basically saying in you for mystic terms yes I don't know what he's going to do from one minute to the next either. And that's just the way things are. That you are seeing now in moments like the tiff with coworker that that they Republicans are not afraid of trump anymore. And that the relationship is so badly broken between trump and Capitol Hill. That I don't know that there's any repairing it and less they can find a way to actually get something done as senator Graham was saying. But you know Republicans on the hill have been bashed by the president. Perhaps deserving Lee. They've not they don't have a lot to fall back on in terms of accomplishments and so they're not super pleased with him. DC the president can fix this drama what well I don't think he thinks is much to six I think you know. He's what 71 years old he's not gonna change this is who he is and I think one of the things that Washington is still grappling. Is we know what to think of the president as the boss right that's his roles the boss. But. He's also broken the blood brain barrier between reality show culture TV culture and politics and he's also that talent. And as you may know in this business or some people on TV a lot who have very high. I'm expectations about bowls of green Eminem's and how everything has to be the right way. And he wants to be treated like the talent not just the boss and that's very difficult to do in politics and that's why we keep having these sort of eruptions. Could the score per episode is not the last one and it wasn't the first one that's going to be going on them that that's the trump show yeah. David what do you think about this idea of good cop bad cop so one of the criticisms of the president as he undermined secretary Tillerson on North Korea saying you know you're wasting your time racks. On the other hand doesn't. Is there a way when check could help the secretary of state who says. I've got a president here who thinks I'm wasting my time you better proof you know he's ready to go do military action if it may be that this. Disruptive. Destabilizing. Bad cop this temperamental president. Gives you some maneuvering room with China. I think it probably is true that the that the Chinese have been destabilize by us by the president and that they've opened up some space that are more cooperative while on North Korea than they. Have been previously and the president clearly hoping as he gets ready to go to China next month at that he's gonna get help from North Korea. Is helping. With North Korea itself is how does it affect Kim Jong on this very irrational. We thank. North Korean leader and there you have to really worried. That getting in this tit for tat this kind of playground argument with the guidance. Speeding think they have nuclear capability. It is is not a good idea that is not what the careful Steward of American. Security would do and I think that's one of things this worrying people around town I I hear lots of credit for the president's policies on China. And I and the kind of bad cop side of that. Not on North Korea. You know what it what do you make of the Iranian decision by the president and and where we go from here. Yeah I meant what I thought I thought it was a terrible deal I thought it was structured in a way that was. Front loaded all rewards for Iran and put them on us as such senator Graham was saying put them on a path to bomb. I think Donald Trump has us in on I'm critical known from well there is these things I think he's absolutely right on this and that is that is sending this to congress is as in many ways sort of a middle ground positions. He's not pulling out of the treaty it's not even the treaty. I'm which was one of my problems with it. I did enjoy the interview with the Iranian foreign minister who. I'm first of all seem very very concerned about America's reputation in the world which is very considerate of them. And I love the idea that they were too worried about America's credibility in the UN and how outrageous it is for American violate UN resolutions. Iran violates UN resolutions Daly is doing it right now violated 222231. And it's it's arming Hezbollah which is not allowed to do. And the idea that somehow. I ran can somehow take the high road and all of this I find ridiculous. Us well and Molly clearly senator Graham was. Working John's point which is you want to defend an agreement went down you know they're doing all of these bad things he thinks he can get sixty votes for something analysts on when he thank. Well he also said that trump is keeping a campaign promise I think that's what really mattered to the president I think. He's clearly frustrated that he hasn't been able to get more done particularly. Through the congress and he wants to keep some of those promises that a lot of his supporters. Are being frustrated at Eric. Getting frustrated are being kept. I it is so it is that what they reminds me very much of what he did on dock up. Which was to find a way to thread the needle between you know if I change the status quo people will be mad. But if I don't the people who wanted me to challenge the status quo people who wanted me to be destructive the people who you summary of the charm voters I spoke to. It was about a particular ideology they just want to see somebody. Break through the gridlock and get something done. The problem is when you've administration and a party that are divided on these issues warring factions and a president who has no particular ideological center. He doesn't give the doesn't lead them in a particular direction and so you end up with these on the one hand on the other hand I. Situations and the status closet essentially is maintained. Gave Canada a needle be thread here which is essentially keep the deal but changed the dealing congress. Most analysts. I think that it it will not be possible to get your wrongdoing agreed to to changes they will not reopen. The deal. I think we're heading into a period in which. The agreement on all the issues that surround it will be in limbo. And so I think is a real question about whether that's in America's or Israel's security interest. And this was something that was locked down you've silenced terrible problem fifteen years but right now it's it's pretty much locked down. Lot of issues now are open. Wilson that the that the needle threading will be working with congress to to adopt. Things that would apply US policy but wouldn't go to the deal itself and I think he probably won't get won't get away with those. If I heard. Who's Iranian foreign minister right. He was saying we will not be the first to withdraw from the steel so if you don't do things that actually are in violation of the deal. You know it's probably aren't just have to stick with a well that's what I'm I'm hearing from Europeans. Genuine unhappiness about this then they want the United States to be that soon fixed northstar foreign policy and they think they fought find this very erratic. And I think I think they're genuinely upset anybody in demonstration thanks so what will get. We'll get the French. I don't hear that now. John let me switch to domestic politics strictly a pretty effective week for the president undoing some pillars of the Obama not good legacy not only on his formal Carrick with a clean power. I act would you make of this week I'm particularly with respect to healthcare and what the president's trying to do. Yeah I I think what the president is doing with the administration is doing is reacting to the fact that as one program said earlier congress can't get anything done. And so Donald Trump is trying to accumulating a record of of talking points about things that he has gotten done. I think he's got I think on this two demonstrations on the right side of the argument on the health care thing these payments. Were rendered we're ruled illegal by a quarter. And but the problem in this is the problem. Trump for good or ill is shutting all the stuff on congress as they are one guy I think that's great as I want congress to step up it's the first branch of government. It's not stepping up and that dysfunction empowers people like Steve man and and others. To basically terror part to Republican Party and if congress doesn't start getting things done. I do think you could see the dissolution of the Republican Party it's already basically split into three parties as we speak. He quickly Molly Charlie and the congressman retiring Republican from Pennsylvania said that now. President trump owns health care as an issue can't blame Obama anymore do you think that's right animal that played out that way politically. It certainly appears to be the case and polls that certainly was the way it played out for President Obama I mean. In the 2010 mid terms obamacare was the dominant issue and even though it hadn't been implemented yet at all. People blamed the administration in power for anything they didn't like about the health care and I think that was a big political reason that Democrats got the president's words shellac. And so in this is this is a tricky issue a tough issued terms not wrong when he says Republicans spent seven years promising to do this and then there was nothing on his desk when he got there. So yeah expecting that they all around. All right there we go that's him in our conversation thank you coming up next the last time he was on face the nation you join us. From a couple hundred miles from the surface of the earth astronaut Scott Kelly is back down on the ground and will be wearing them in a moment when we come back. And we're back with captain Scott Kelly who is on the ground in New York. The subject of his new book endurance is the year he spent in space. And capping Kelly we're very glad to have you with this let me you writing your book that you were a below average dying stepping into an above average role is that and modesty or or is that hope for the rest of us. I think it's false modesty and the truth I was you know this kid that couldn't pay attention in. In school growing up that if I was in school today have be you know probably diagnosed with a eighty years. ADHD and it wasn't easy for me as a kid until I found some inspiration. Do you think that in fact that it wasn't easy actually was who was helpful in terms of one of the words we hear a lot these days which is developing grit. Well it certainly. Allowed me to. You know develop a sense of you know endurance and I think it's one of the reasons why showed that or use chose to use that title. Is that you know was an easy and it was a long path for me to go from struggling student in school to astronaut that spent a year in space. When you're out there endurance sounds like a constant slog wasn't any fun. Follows a lot of fun and rewarding. Challenging really hard work and a privilege. To be able serve my country as an astronaut that NASA for twenty years. How long after you came back did it take oh when you could wake up and and not think oh I'm back. On the planet earth again. You know I took you know only a few days but there are a lot of other lingering effects of being in space most of them were gone after a couple of months but. I think it took probably about eight months until I felt completely back to normal and what do you what do you miss from your time out there. I miss the work you know it's very challenging technically challenging and exacting work and something I. Believe greatly in LA and Amos of people my crew mates and I was up there with they were all great and I even though they're all back on earth I don't get to see him as much anymore. You grew up during the Cold War summer your mates were Russians what was that like. They were hang you know great act colleague sin and partners say have a you know really. Fond you know memories of my time months I've spent in Russia and and my crew mates and you know even though it at times are countries can be in in conflict at odds over things we. On the space station have to get along very well because we've literally depend on each other for a lives. One of the things he did why Europe there was take space walks. What is that process like it looks on the one hand fun but I'm guessing it's that. And quite tense tale. You know it's it's the type to kind of fun type one font is you know the roller coaster type to fund is. The stuff that's really really hard and challenging but year. You know it's fun when your when your finish within minutes you know you feel very very dissatisfied and accomplished. Same time a really incredible experience to be outside a spacecraft. You know doing work on behalf of of NASA and our country. Based on your experience what what are your thoughts about. Sending an astronaut in space for mission and to Mars which would require an extended period of time. Well I'd died volunteer to do it if that opportunity presented itself I think it's something that we. We should do I think we're capable of of getting their. You know the challenges having the the right political support and the the money to to go on do it. You were in the sense Guinea pig for this side trip and studying your body in a way it changed. What did you learn that will be helpful for that attempted to Mars. There's a lot of science based on me in mind my rushing colleague Misha according go being in space for a year but there was also. You know science done on my brother and I with his twin studies then a lot of the results I think will help us don't go to Mars there are a lot of negative things that happened to her physiology from being in space for long periods of time in those are the challenges we have to. You know continue to work on and and figure out if we're gonna have people spend much longer in space and we we currently have. An insurmountable challenges or did you discover something in terms of physiology that that really is that the enemy and tough nut to crack. You know I think I think there there are solvable. You know we have challenges with you know human physiology but also the you know the technical challenges of you know building a spacecraft and supporting the crew for real long time. But I'll I'll steal a phrase from my brother. That he often says and getting to Mars is not about rocket science it's about political science and you know the support and money to do it. All right captain Kelly thanks so much for being wit us if you wanna hear more from Scott Kelly he will join our colleagues in studio 57 on CBS this morning tomorrow. And we'll be back in a moment.
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